Subject: Re: Новые имена Кентавров
Date   : 15 Jun 2003 10:22 GMT
From   : Denis Maimistov [DenisM] (AstroSchool@mail.convey.ru)
To     : Jet [Vladimir Poliansky]

  DM>> Володя, добрый день.
 DM>> Я не понял вопроса
 J> Привет!
 J> Какой звездной величины обьекты,есть ликрупнее Хирона?
 J> И еще,какие известны трактовки ТНО и Кентавров от западных коллег-?
 J> Jet

Володя, это же давно открытые Кентавры, сейчас они только
получили имена - все данные есть везде (у Дениса Куталева 
в энциклопедии, например). Звездной величины, если ты имеешь
в виду H (Absolute magnitude), крупнее, чем Хирон - нет среди них.
Если бы появился такой Кентавр, было бы известно со времени
его открытия. Но звездная величина Кентавров не является
принципиальным фактором для суждения о них. Ты же не судишь
о планетах по зв. величине. Для Кентавров важна эксцентричность
их орбиты, которая и делает их Кентаврами, как особой группой
(близко SDO: TL66 и др.). Мы это здесь уже обсуждали наверное 
пару лет назад. Я давал ссылки на классификации разного вида
малых планет. Их (разные типы) нельзя рассматривать все вместе
в одной каше.
Другое дело - Plutino (1996TP66 (15875), Huya (38628), Ixion (28978)
и др.), например, которые всем похожи на Плутон - их как раз имеет 
смысл ранжировать именно по зв. величине, особенно в  виду их 
количества.
Действия то представителей всех групп как раз зависят от типа
группы. Если ты хочешь исследовать сам, не полагаясь на 
классификации астрономов, хочешь найти еще какие-то особенности
для себя - сгрузи astorb. dat, я уже и это советовал, и ранжируй сам.
Иначе у тебя всегда будет случайная выборка малых планет (по
типу о существовании каких удалось узнать). Потом можешь только
добавлять принципиально новой информацией. Адрес (по памяти,
некогда сейчас проверять) ftp://ftp.lowell.edu/pub/elgb/  Если не так,
поищи на Altavista и пр. по названию (astorb. dat) Звездная
величина H - по-моему 4ая колонка, вообще на сервере есть есть
пояснения, они понятны даже без знания английского.

Подпишись на астрономические листы, чтобы быть всегда в курсе
новой информации. Удобно по группам у астрономов
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/lists/Centaurs.html А для начала удобно следить 
вслед за Juan Revilla (автор Riyal) - он обновляет программу 
тут-же как только что-то принципиальное появилось и точность 
уже доступна для исследования. В "readme" к программе и 
классификация объектов дается - тех, которые есть в самой 
программе (Plutino мало - только крупные, их же вообще 
бесчисленное кол-во). http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/  Кстати,
инициатором введения классификаций в Riyal была М.А. Алмазова.

Об интерпретациях зарубежных астрологов. Среди активно 
представленных в сети и занимающихся совсем давно (10-20 
лет) - Zane B. Stein, Philip Sedgwick, Robert von Heeren 
( http://www.centaurresearchproject.de/menu/ ). Поищи в сети,
там много. Кстати, ссылки по-моему давно есть у Куталева.

Ниже пример из Philip Sedgwick. Он был один из первых,
кто выпускал эфемериды для Кентавров и ряда TNO (TL66,
TO66..) c краткими интерпретациями. И в первую очередь
обратил всеобщее астрологическое внимание на и мунданную
роль TL66. Я, например, когда осознал, например, участие 
TL66 в тау-квадрате с сатурном и плутоном в районе 1956г 
(да частью и с юпитером в соединении с плутоном), был, 
помню шокирован (это мой пример, не Sedgwick). У нас в 
Школе его эфемериды 1998 года выпуска.

Примеры порядка полугодичной давности. Некоторые
уже с тех пор получили имена. Сначала примеры неименованных,
затем именованных.

Some preliminary keywords for unnamed Centaurs by Phil Sedgwick
Copyright Phil Sedgwick, February 2003, written for CRP

UG5 31824 - Expression of self and ego through word and writing. 
Positive:
Excellent communication, articulate, precise. Negative: Verbose, 
boastful,
shallow in conversation.

PT13 32532 - Relational and professional attitudes based upon one 
another. I am
what I am because of my career status or relationship ornament. 
Positive:
Balance between relationship and work, money and sexuality. Negative:
Object oriented, status seeking, mercenary in work ethics, stunned by
glamour and beauty of partner.

BU48 33128 - Conflict between ego and material possession, identity as 
a
function of resources. Positive: confidence in inner resourcefulness, 
which
allows for use of all talent. Negative: materialistic, avaricious, 
beliefs
possessions equal identity.

44594 - The power of knowledge comes to light. Those who know rule the
world. Positive: sharing of wisdom, ideas and concepts to increase the
greater good. Negative: secretive, hoarding ideas, arrogant flaunting 
of
knowledge never revealed, intentional misinformation.

1994 TA - The need to assert one's accomplishments (generally 
professional)
in the interest of recognition. Positive: sense of self 
accomplishment,
legacy oriented, a mentor. Negative: solicitousness, bragging,
indiscriminate flirting.

1995 SN55 - Urge to establish self value regardless of relationship
status. Positive: Warm, supportive, nurturing in one to one
relationship. Negative: Needy, self centered to a fault, showcase
relationships.

1996 AR20 - The urge to understand unresolved questions and mysteries
through discussion. Positive: Highly insightful ability to ask 
questions.
Negative: Incessant questioning and banal fixations.

1996 RX33 - A balance of individuality for the purpose of soul 
fulfillment,
regardless of ego. Positive: Confident and self assured in expressing
uniqueness and ingenuity. Negative: Cranky weird, contentious, highly
rebellious.

1998 QM107 - Balancing emotions and ego as a function of professional
status. Positive: Giving, nurturing and sharing to and with coworkers 
with
extraordinary capacities. Negative: Demanding, infantile in work
relationships, flaunts social status as a result of accomplishments,
showcases with past laurels .

1998 SG35 - Need and ability to heal the ego by overcoming 
criticisms,
both self imposed and external. Positive: Clarity, impeccability and
loyalty to personal and emotional needs, praising, complimentary.
Negative: Critical, judgment, condemning both of others and self, 
defaming,
blasphemous, solicitous.

1998 TF35 - Sense of value, self worth, economic freedom with 
spiritual
emphasis. Positive: Wealthy eccentric, affluent, humanistic, 
generous,
spiritual involved. Negative: Selfish, demanding, greedy. 
Manipulates
with karma or projected spiritual status.

1999 HD12 - Acceptance of whole and pure nurturing. Positive: 
Acceptance
of support and responsive to praise. Negative: Rejecting of those
attempting to help. Constant complaining about the lack of fundamental 
care
in life.

1999 JV127 - Primal sense of self. Developing a healthy self 
referential
attitude. Positive: Confidence in raw talents. Self assured 
nurturing
instincts. Negative: Overly subconscious in motivations. Subjective 
and
projective. Extremely protective.

1999 XX143 - Maintaining a balance of individuality and others within 
the
domestic environment. Positive: Feeling accepted by family and close
friends. Negative: Portraying black sheep image. Isolated and sullen 
at
home. Doing it for family to the extreme.

2000 CO104 - Emotional intensity, passionate creativity, inspirational
capacity. Positive: Uplifting, stimulating, infinitely artistic and
creative. Negative: Addicted to emotional drama, emotionally 
controlling
and manipulative.

2000 EC98 - Cosmic picture vs. detail orientation. Abstract logic vs 
linear
logic. Positive: Balanced perspective of overviews combined with 
essential
detail. Negative: Picky, judgmental, cantankerously weird, 
ungrounded.

2000 FZ53 - Acute relationship awareness. Ability to negotiate 
relationship
conflicts. Positive: Clarity in relationship communication. Honest,
direct, self assured in interactions. Negative: Clingy, dependent, 
holds
back on communication based upon perceived reactions.

2000 GM137 - Extreme inquisitiveness and cat-like curiosity. 
Relationship
communication clarity. Positive: Questioning and open minded. 
Negative:
Overly scrutinizing specializing in Pandora's box scenarios.

2000 QC243 - Use of complete compassion and forgiveness toward others.
Positive: Understanding, compassionate, forgiving, tolerant. Negative: 
Full
of guilt and shame - projected onto others.

2000 SN331 - Highly questioning nature. Asks surface level questions
seeking the greatest depth in the answer. Positive: Seeking, 
questioning
unafraid of shadows. Negative: Diverting, avoiding, asks questions to
answer a question.

2001 BL41 - Perceptions of an abundant Universe. Positive: Generous,
available and sharing. Negative: Greedy, hostile regarding work 
position
and money earned. Desperately competitive.

2001 KF77 - Claiming of soul urge. Development of pure confidence and 
self
assuredness. Positive: Strong, inspired, non-competitive, motivated.
Negative: Possessive, insecure, ego proclaiming, pouting, fearful.

2001 SQ73 - Quest for ultimate individuality. Confident in all aspects 
of
self. Positive: Iron will and certainty of healthy eccentricity and
imaginative ability. Negative: Weird just to be contentious. 
Overbearing
ego. Sense of intellectual superiority.

2001 XZ255 -The quest for pure self expression. Positive: Clear,
articulate, assertive, confident. Negative: Accusatory, meddlesome,
laborious in conversation.

2002 CA249 - Complete, uninhibited self-expression. Positive: 
Innovative,
confident, inspired, pleasantly odd. Negative: Narcissistic, 
self-absorbed,
strange for shock value.

2002 CB249 - Integrated spirituality within worldly awareness. 
Positive:
Comprehends parts/wholes theory, uses crisis/chaos to the good. Finds
upside in all things. Negative: Victim consciousness, resentful, 
critical.

2002 DH5 - Perfection seeking, looking for Divine Order. Positive:
Accepting, tolerant and compassionate. Negative: Scrutinizing to a 
fault,
viciously critical, intolerant, mean spirited practical jokes.

2002 FY36 - Seeking understanding of sacred and profane in balance.
Positive: Unique blend of linear and abstract minds. Negative: 
Mentally
biased and opinionated with no tractability.

2002 GO9 - Need for relational support without reservation. Positive:
Renders and receives in relationship in healthy balance. Negative:
Co-dependent, turns intimate relationships into parent-child 
scenarios.

2002 GB10 - Balance of emotional/nurturing give and take. Positive:
Encouraging, nurturing, responsive. Negative: Whining, needy, 
clinging.
Emotionally manipulates closeness, then withdraws from it.

2002 GZ32 - Seeking kinship with those of great self reliance. 
Positive:
Confident, giving and supportive. Strong sense of bond with those of
similar spirit. Negative: Sullen, withdrawn but emotionally 
aggressive.

2002 KY14 - Definition of absolute truth. Conviction to principle 
without
zeal. Tolerance of all beliefs. Positive: open-minded and sharing
especially in religious, philosophical matters, knows the ecstasy of
knowing. Negative: zeal, fanaticism, religious intolerance, bigotry, 
social
stupidity through biases.

2002 PN34 - Quintessential grounding. Practicality without being 
buried by
life's demands. Positive: willing to shoulder responsibility, 
effective in
time/work management, grounded and with lofty visions and aims. 
Negative:
materialistic, greedy, wasteful, resentful, inefficient in use of 
time,
prone to laziness motivated by belief "the world owes me."

2002 PQ152 - Creative weirdness at its best. Contemplative and 
deliberate
in spiritual exercises. Positive: clear self-understanding through 
retreat
and silence, willingness to share positive eccentricities. Negative: 
off
the wall, contentious, arrogant and bitter. 

Varuna

General - judgment, sense of importance of responsibility, perception of 
fidelity to one's own soul, strong healing ability.

Positive - integrity in work, able to accomplish tasks within the framework 
of for the good of all, healing, self-affirmed, strong connection to core of 
earth, nurturing, emotionally supportive.

Negative - abuses power and responsibility, alienated from life, feels more 
due is owed than effort demonstrated, imposes emotional agenda.

Mundane - floods and droughts, impeachment, promotion, birds, clocks that 
emphasize day/night.


Ixion

General - second chances, conscious awareness of choice, modest or boastful 
nature, need to accurately assess and state situations and circumstances, 
"once fooled" belief system.

Positive - learns from mistakes, non-judgmental, modest, fair, considers the 
opposite point of view.

Negative - blows second chances, no regard for protocol, boastful, 
exaggerating, materialistic.

Mundane - cloud watching, hurricane hunters, cloud seeding, severe penalties 
for blowing multiple chances, i.e., three strikes and you're out legal 
agenda.


Chaos

General - healing by removing the psychic energy of the situation instead of 
the physical form, parts and whole theory, need for material security. 

Positive - resourceful, potent healer, understands "parts and wholes," and 
"As Above, So Below," stirs it up in the interest in establishing improved 
order, psychic, protective.

Negative - fractured, disassociated from life, psychically and materially 
bleeding of others, meddlesome, energetically imposing.

Mundane - fractal theory, worth of art based upon its technique, use of mind 
alteration to see through illusion of matter, spiritual healing methods of 
extraction, dismemberment, dissolution and re-solidification.


Rhadamanthus

General - inflexible integrity, always asks, "what would I do in that 
situation?"

Positive - fairness based upon a sense that no one can take anything aware 
from you, good humor and perspective, objective, self-assured.

Negative - judgmental, competitive, intolerant, conspiring.

Mundane - panel of judges, especially in matters of spiritual morality